MakeSomethingWeWant | 290 points
The REALLY big picture. Please read.
There is an emerging story here that goes far beyond pizza, so I will try to pull the thread together and tell you what the rest of the world wants to tell us. Pizza is the tip of the iceberg. It doesn't matter what pasta means or whether Clinton is involved specifically.
Here are the questions you should be asking yourself:
Human trafficking involves almost a million smuggled children per year. How do these organizations stick around? Are they run by expert cryptographers, somehow managing to smuggle millions of live human beings without leaving a digital fingerprint, evading the NSA's reach? (Hint: no)
How many intelligence agencies are there in the world? How do human traffickers manage to evade all of them? (Hint: they don't)
What sorts of people are able to afford children? If you are rich enough to buy multiple children, are you the sort of person who is likely to be able to donate to politicians? (Hint: yes)
THE BIG QUESTION
Q: How do large-scale bad things get past the NSA? A: They don't. Q: Why are they still around then? A: [deleted]
Other points of departure include:
Clinton's email server was hacked by every government in the world... except the NSA?
Every politician routinely has a private email server to conduct "unofficial business"... and the NSA missed it?
Clinton deleted her emails... and the NSA doesn't have them?
The President of the United States had a private email server... and the NSA was OK with this?
SEVERAL (maybe all) MAJOR POLITICIANS HAVE COMPROMSIED SENSITIVE NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION ON UNSECURED SERVERS... and the NSA missed it?
Do you understand? These are fairy tales.
So now I ask: other than human trafficking, what other non-government-sanctioned "large-scale bad things?" How do THEY manage to stick around?
terminal_hiccups | 56 points
I'm still wrapping my head around the big picture here, but I'll try to explain the best I can. We live in an oligarchy. The rich and powerful control anything they want to control, from media, to human trafficking, movement of weapons to gain control of resources, drugs, technological innovation, medical innovation, all of it. If the pharmaceutical industry wants to keep treating people rather than curing them, they do it. If the oil industry wants to suppress green energy, it's suppressed. The rest of us, the ones that aren't a part of that very special club, we're wage slaves. Over and over we've been indoctrinated to believe the only way to have a good life is to work hard and keep handing money over to get it. Don't have an education? Fine, you get to work minimum wage and get shamed for taking subsidies because your job doesn't pay enough for you to feed yourself. Don't want to work a minimum wage job? Fine, you'll have to take out loans to go to college, which you'll then continue to pay for years after, you'll have to stay healthy to keep working which you'll have to pay for at ever-increasing costs, wages will stay stagnant and make it harder to purchase a home without taking out a bigger mortgage . . . it keeps people from moving higher up on the social ladder, which keeps that very special club exclusive to the people who have been there for decades. The rest of us, well, as long as we stay complacent they can keep bleeding us dry while squashing the innovations that could completely change our society and humanity for the better, because they're still busy gathering up those all-important dolla dolla bills while they figure out how to control the next big industry. The rest of us are dispensable, disposable cogs in the wheel to be used as they see fit. Including our children.
TekkaMakkiSushi | 3 points
we dont live in an oligarchy.
We live in the medieval system of feudalism, where the governing body exists to extract money from a subjugated population of Serfs.
OriginalOhm | 35 points
Child Trafficking is not limited to sex trafficking.
There are illegal adoption rings and baby factories.
There is organ trafficking which is a growing industry. It is becoming more profitable than drug trafficking for Mexican gangs. Children are targets as they are healthier. There is a culture being fostered - don't ask where the organs come from.
And there is child labor trafficking and exploitation. Manufacturing companies are moving off-shore to countries of low labor cost where children can be easily exploited.
whatsausername90 | 4 points
Slavery is a real problem too. Not as scandalous-sounding as sex trafficking, but still a huge deal. Like trafficking, it's easier to see it in third world countries. Idk to what extent it happens in the US, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't exist here too.
OriginalSpirit | 33 points
All of this will come out eventually. Too many people are awake now. They've made a massive misjudgment with the internet.
rocks_rocc | 1 points
Why do you think that? Just announced Hillary will walk free. It's over bro
OriginalSpirit | 19 points
It isn't about Hillary, you need to think bigger.
Firefistace46 | 6 points
Hilary is like a single little cog in the gear systems. A little fish in an enormous school. A chip in the bag.
The-Juggernaut | 6 points
what did I miss?
stopcensoringpizzag8 | 9 points
Supposedly Kellyanne Conway said that they don't wish to pursue charges against Hillary anymore... although, they could just be saying that to calm their opposition down until DJT gets inaugurated. That's my guess, at least.
Davetheinquisitive | 8 points
You cite a cnn article? Have you learned nothing?
stopcensoringpizzag8 | 6 points
Lol. I just pulled up a quick article from a Google search to answer his question about what he missed (I thought he was asking about the Hillary walking free part) But you're right - it was more laziness on my part. I don't want to give them any free traffic either.
Edit: CNN article link removed.
croutons_r_good | 5 points
Have you learned nothing this election? I think it's pretty clear to see Trump does not want to give Obama the chance to pardon her, therefore it's best not to make a fuss again until after Trump is in office.
Do you not see this? I feel nearly positive she is going down. hard.
stopcensoringpizzag8 | 6 points
Uhm, dude... that's literally what I just said. They are waiting until The Donald is inaugurated before letting the shit hit the fan.
Pizzagate4545 | 2 points
This is what I am hoping. To calm things down until he can take action and reveal secrets. There's much more to all this in the grand scheme.
HOW_COULD | 3 points
Trump is trolling. He said he wouldn't personally persue, he is going to leave it to the appropriate new heads of his administration to do it. It simply cannot happen now while Obama still sits. That is all.
vigilantedinosaur | 1 points
To be fair, if I were in his shoes and all this news was slowly trickling out, I'd say the same thing to placate the offenders from destroying evidence. I'm not saying he's that smart, but it's a possibility.
EarthquakesVolcanoes | 18 points
It's a simple thought exercise. People in power are corrupt....A new agency opens....Do you think TPTB allowed a new agency to open to investigate them or do you think TPTB allowed a new agency to open to absolve them? NSA knows about aliens and energy...I am convinced of this, it's probably too conspiracy right now for this sub, but in a few months, I think we are going to be having a very big discussion on the world around us. People are awake but they have only just hit their alarm clock. Time to get out of bed and realize there is much much more than pizzagate. But first, lets bring down the pedos and then we can keep digging
19-80-4 | 39 points
Look. For the sake of this sub, show some moderation. Keep the fucking "aliens and energy" and "Jews and Zionists" and other nonsense OUT and focus on making solid connections that are backed up with sources.
You, and people like you, are hurting more than you're helping.
Ballsdeepinreality | 17 points
Would you like a source for the aliens and zero point energy?
http://www.disclosureproject.org/
Video evidence of UFO activity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypd3_kF0350
Sirius Doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_-HLD21hA&t
There are hundreds of government officials that have testified as eyewitnesses and thousands of official government documents.
Not to mention, a slew of world leaders, pilots, astronauts, and top security officials that testify to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWUCDHofEho
Keep in mind, this is 60+ years of history, and is not something that can be explained in 2 minutes. You will have to take the information available to you, and do your own research. I've provided a handful of links above, these are good points of reference and include verifiable persons and legitimate testimony on the matter.
However, I agree, this sub is not the place for this discussion.
The simple fact, is that these pedorings have been exposed THREE times before, Dutroux and Jimmy Saville, plus the Hollywood ring. This does not even get into the Army base in SF. Each and every time, it was swept under the rug, and those exposed were convicted and served little/no jail time.
This is not something new, this has been going on for a long time. At this point, I don't see anything happening, because nothing has ever happened when this has been exposed before.
ashtonfrancis | 8 points
I'm with you. Def alien angle tie-in. Just too much redpill at once, haha..
Ballsdeepinreality | 3 points
The only tie-in is that Podesta was interested in disclosure, and one of the emails between Dr. Edward Mitchell and him show they met to discuss this on at least one occasion.
Other than that, just a mountain of evidence that says the government is lying to the public. Which, IMHO, is more believable than anything else.
rorschachrev | 2 points
Your post hurts our credibility. Please don't link to aliens if you want #pizzagate to be taken seriously.
Ballsdeepinreality | 2 points
If CIA/NSA agents, government employees, elected officials, world leaders testimonies and corresponding declassified documents do not provide sufficient evidence, then nothing will.
There is less evidence in these emails, why are you even here if you dismiss evidence placed in front of you?
I didn't make this shit up.
rorschachrev | 6 points
I don't think you made it up, I think it doesn't belong here.
ETEl2NAL407 | 1 points
Then you aren't seeing the big picture. There's a universe out there, the Earth is not the center of it.
Findsyourshit | 2 points
I think what he's saying is that, while not disagreeing with you, those types of connections are discussed outside of pizzagate.
Don't get me wrong, I do see what you're saying, and think they are valid points, but I also agree that they should be outside of the pizzagate sub.
Keep on searching for the truth.
[deleted] | 0 points
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19-80-4 | 6 points
What the fuck all does that have to do with the current focus of investigation on the global pedophilia ring? Do you have any evidence for your claim? Until you do, fuck off.
You realize what you sound like to any common person when you're ranting and raving about dem evil jews? There's subs for that, I imagine. This sub isn't for that.
GordoSSGranudo | 1 points
It's all gentile children you retard. That's why. You think it's whites doing this to whites? No it's Jew doing this to gentile. I'd bet you my entire life NONE of these kids being traffic are jewish. Notice how many kids in these PG photos are non-white? Didn't think so.
cheshire_ranch | 0 points
i disagree.. he makes a lot of sense.. u sound like a shill tho so i tagged u as shill. take this downvote fam
EarthquakesVolcanoes | -2 points
Why? I can look under this rock while they look under that rock. What has curation ever done to help solve anything? All leads should be followed and crossed off the list as they are debunked. True wisdom is the ability to entertain any and all ideas while not accepting them. Wake up.
19-80-4 | 24 points
You have major media outlets scouring this sub, looking for anything to paint this entire thing as some hogwash racist alt right conspiracy. YOU NEED SOME PERSPECTIVE.
EarthquakesVolcanoes | 3 points
The thought police are what allowed this to be swept under the rug this long. Thanks for the concern though. BTW, the NYT has their own agenda, regardless of how much truth comes to light, you won't hear about it from the media. Think for yourself and keep pulling the thread. I'm not crazy and you're not crazy. We've been told to only think so far about so much...Keep digging, it goes deeper. Or if you don't want to keep digging, fine. Expose the pedo stuff and then keep on exposing the rest. In the end you and I are in this together. Careful telling your fellow man not to think too much, it's very dangerous
Ballsdeepinreality | 1 points
So the evidence is so strong as to attract major media outlets that can't do any investigative research of their own?
Um...? Seriously?
TRUMPIZARD | 12 points
The CIA is at war with the NSA because of the extreme technological capabilities of the NSA. Snowden was a CIA plant, designed to discredit the NSA and hopefully dismantle them due to public outrage. That didn't happen but the CIA knows they know everything.
I believe free energy is part of it. I believe this child trafficking stuff is largely connected to mkultra. The CIA needed 100s, if not 1000s, of young test subjects to perform their experiments. Many did not survive. Maybe the ones that "fail" are given back to the pedo rings.
Successfully mind controlled victims are can be sex agents (mostly female) or agents to participate in other experiments, like Project Montauk. Project Montauk is the supposed real life experiment that Stranger Things is based off of. People claim that they successfully developed time travel, as well as possibly teleportation and the ability to create mental super humans.
Whats funny is that Tesla was supposedly involved in Project Montauk. Tesla has his footprints all over these conspiracies that I believe to be connected. Coupled with the Tesla/Trump time traveller theory, and the FBI's tweet about Tesla, I really truly believe that big things are going to be happening soon.
rorschachrev | 0 points
right... snowden by cia explained by time traveling. Can you stop hurting our investigation's credibility please?
sdbgnms | 1 points
right..
So you really believe that Snowden worked 5 years for CIA, during wich he was in Switzerland with the Banker. Where they got the banker drunk. got him to drive home and called the cops on him. And then the kicker. Snowden was so disturbed by this "strategy"(like if CIA doesnt do worse things on a daily basis?) that he joined NSA some years later and was given all the access (cause heck, NSA just loves prior CIA guys), and decided to drop a BOMB of NSA secrets? It really makes sense. Doesnt it?
rorschachrev | 1 points
Project Montauk is the supposed real life experiment that Stranger Things is based off of. People claim that they successfully developed time travel, as well as possibly teleportation and the ability to create mental super humans.
And then they developed pizza right? Stop muddying up pizzagate with off topic conspiracies.
ETEl2NAL407 | 1 points
Stop muddying up pizzagate with off topic conspiracies.
This guy is like some hybrid cuck. You've only got one eye open. You've lost depth perception as a result, so you fail to see how deep this really goes. It's simple: If they're capable of covering up their passtime of pedophilia like this, what else are they covering up that's not "just jokes", as Alefantis would say.
CaptnMeowMix | 1 points
So you question someone's claim, then dismiss their response's entire argument wholesale?
Credibility comes from taking in all data objectively and being able to reason about it properly, not by emotionally thumping some arbitrary subset of talking points. You're hurting your own cause.
sdbgnms | 0 points
What? I were clearing up the snowden parts. I dont know about the second part of his post. I didn't see that you had mixed everything together in one bundle.
TeijiSenpai | 8 points
It's important not for information to be true or false, it's important for it to be believable.
Whatever that means; Pizzagate is 'dangerous' as it can condition us to not be surprised by possible 'very out there' realities and possible truths.
To summarise in a sentence; the very out there potential realities about how our planet is compromised.
EarthquakesVolcanoes | 5 points
Yep, the real disinformation is that which tells us everything is exactly as it seems and there is nothing to look into. It goes against the very nature of humans. We are curious and want to know more. What motivation is there to tell us not to look into the occult, or aliens, or energy, etc etc? What harm would it do to flip over the rock and see if there is anything under there?
TeijiSenpai | 6 points
If multiple members of government from all over the world are involved in 'Pizzagate' (speaking broadly), then you know, logically there has to be something very psychologically extreme going on for there to be a culture around something so horrible to children.
Investigating these leads is what allows us to not make insane and baseless accusations, and is what allows us to come up with a hypothesis based on logic and reason which involve the criminally insane. Regardless of using emotion to justify either way possible thought-patterns I.E; "This can't be true / false because it's insane."
PAetc | 4 points
It doesn't seem so complicated to me. Multiple studies have shown that those in positions of power are disproportionately likely to be sociopaths. Sociopaths with power and riches would absolutely use it to explore their dark fantasies (murder, torture, rape, etc.).
tweh1909 | 2 points
On the right track study their symbology
EDIT: I do think you're creating some false dichotomies but I upvoted
EveryoneIsGod | 11 points
This whole ordeal that have surfaced the last couple of weeks is beyond insane! This has probably been going on for over 50 years and won't stop in any near future - We can only do so much to share and spread the word but the people are not ready to even try comprehending this shit! All the people i have told about this is either not believing me or isn't taking this seriously at all... The same way they ridiculed the people who said Jimmy Saville was raping children and corpses, when he died the truth came to the surface and he had been responsible for around 600 children getting molested. The general public is so fucking mindboggingly ignorant and dumb! I can't express how much this frustrates me... But in the end the truth will prevail!
whatsausername90 | 3 points
Over 50 years? Try the entirety of human history.
EveryoneIsGod | 1 points
Yeah i know, but i was talking about the high profile politicians/global elite. I know they probably also have been doing it for more than 50 years but i felt comfortable saying 50 years lol.
ganesha1024 | 10 points
I'm not saying it's aliens, but... maybe some occult practices involve feeding energetic beings with human suffering?
0xi9en123 | 3 points
The Archons mentioned by the Gnostics?
PizzaHatingBaphomet | 2 points
The disgusting thing is that an occultist can get this energy without anyone being hurt or being even remotely unwilling. Rape and sodomy are utterly unnecessary. These people are fucking sick in the head.
Aarno4412 | 7 points
Zoom out even further. Learn about the following names:
Aaron McCollum Max Spiers James Casbolt Malcolm Pauly
Example: Aaron McCollum on the 8 reasons for military abductions, pay attention to points 6,7 and 8.
https://supersoldiertalk.com/2016/05/19/eight-reasons-for-military-abductions/
There are various reasons for abducting people. I think Pizzagate points towards McCollum's points 6/7/8.
jeepersthejaguar | 4 points
It is the "Belgian disease". http://www.4liberty.org.uk/2012/03/21/the-missing-children/
Slipgrid | 4 points
You keep harping on the NSA... but you act like it's inevitable.
The NSA HQs is across the street from the Safeway store that wired money to the 9/11 terrorist.
The NSA power is not divine; it's strong arm.
HillarySmells | 2 points
I am researching others brought up in emails while using the pizza info to bring it back. I think some of these one off instances tie in somehow.
Injectortape | 2 points
In my opinion if we follow the logic of avoiding direct exposure to the truth in an effort to cover this up, it stands to reason that if it debunked this sub it would not be allowed here either for the risk of turning people toward the "truth". No matter what the "conspiracy" the blanket statement of conspiracy theory is enough to deter people just because of the shameful skewed thinking that's become associated with it.
It's also interesting how you choose a top down debunking attempt, or is this nyt article the only thing that makes you question the mentality of this sub?
ash0787 | 2 points
Would there actually be that many clients though ? isn't the prevalance of pedophillia amongst the general population quite low ( guessing under 5% ). why would the richest most powerful people in the world all happen to also be pedos ?
KiA423469420 | 4 points
why would the richest most powerful people in the world all happen to also be pedos ?
Control fixation. Power trips are sexy to far more people than children, and far more likely to be appealing to all the richest most powerful people in the world than pedophilia as such.
Just a guess.
Another guess might be that they're using it as a "secret handshake" to ensure loyalty within a select group. The key of silence could be the tears of a forsaken child. That sounds like the kind of occult bullshit a secret society would go for.
rorschachrev | 2 points
Clinton's email server was running the OS with the worst track record on security, MacOSX. I'd be surprised if everyone didn't hack it a few times over. MacOSX security updates were historically released with paid OS upgrades only. Worse yet, they are old and vulnerable versions of well known open source software.
eaglesOfDeafMetal | 1 points
Oh for Pete's sake
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tweh1909 | 1 points
This? https://www.nsa.gov/about/faqs/about-nsa-faqs.shtml ?
Number 10?
EDIT: Crafty bastard
bumblingbuck | 2 points
For people who don't wanna read, it seems to imply the seal of the NSA has something to do with St. Peter, the first bishop of Rome.
conspExec | 1 points
This type of logic.
fdferferfrrefr | 1 points
But the NSA is all powerful? (they are not)
a-SynKronus | 1 points
Sure, but the NSA would definitely be seeing where emails are forwarded and such. Especially anywhere in DC
libertyant | 1 points
i think its also important to remember that i dont think this is NSAs remit, is it? they do see this and no doubt inform FBI or w/e but they are the ones who arent doing anything / whos hands are tied by DoJ
this does give credibility that snowden was a CIA plant in order to destroy NSA - the only ones who see the truth but cant do anything about it. I imagine NSA has the toughest anti leaking measures which could only be countered with help (e.g. CIA helping Snowden).
There is that to think about
ressolute | 1 points
NSA's mandate is not to catch pedophiles. NSA's mandate is national security from foreign threats. They aren't looking for pedophiles. End of story.
well_hello_there_4_4 | 1 points
Have you considered that A) with the amount of noise on the Internet it's probably not difficult to stay under the NSAs radar if they're not already looking for you, and B) most of those million kids are in third world countries where the NSA is either not interested or interested for reasons more related to national security.
you don't need to be an expert cryptographer either to use end to end encryption.
Redgen87 | 1 points
For me the big picture is that this world isn't as diverse as we see it. Behind the scenes, there is a group running everything.
Now this is a theory based on history and past events, experiences, things I've read and what have you. I think there are politicians and people of power in this group, that are puppets or are being used. There's a large number of those. I think there are only a few that are actually running the show.
I think the CIA has a big hand in a lot of the things that go on in this world, I think they do this to make sure the power stays in the hands of these people. I think these people started this before the CIA was a thing, and created it.
For example, 9/11. I have believed for the longest time that it wasn't just a terrorist attack, that we had some hand in it. I think it was allowed to happen so Bush could get what he needed to take out Saddam. Taking out Saddam allowed freedom in that area per se, rebel groups instead of everything being run by one etc. Cue them arming ISIS and all the other shit that's happened. All this so that the balance never tips too far to one area.
Now, if this all dismantles, I think there might be chaos for a while. Cause there might not be a leader. Maybe not this country but others. So there might be fights and worse. Even thought that would be bad, I think it is something we need..a restart. Because the way we are being controlled is crazy.
Now, we have way more people than they do, they know this and that's why there has been this segregation for so long. If we unite, we can take them down. I think they have a fail safe of course, nukes or something. So as crazy as it sounds, I think we should be planning for that outcome, so my fellow tin foils, load up on ammo, weapons and provisions for future survival.
Now as a final note, I think the balance or should I say one sided power in this world is very important to the people who have that power. I think they will go to great lengths to prevent themselves from losing it and I don't think they would do anything drastic until the very end. So there's quite a bit of time yet. But I do think that with technology where it is now and how easy people can talk to each other, that we're closer to that point then we have ever been. So don't give up the fight, lets make this a global change. It's time to give the world back to the people.
ImAMenace | 0 points
This is basic persuasion format.
Any time you see someone make the following format, assume they have an agenda:
Pose question you'd likely ask yourself under given circumstances.
Answer to that question which follows the same narrative all the way through.
The conclusion is the NSA is bad. All of their premises conclude that the NSA is the only faculty which doesn't have dirt. For all we know, they could be the ones leaking/digging the deepest.
This is clearly an attack on the NSA. Go read any persuasion article ever. Plenty of them use this format.
MakeSomethingWeWant | 1 points
No, the punchline isn't that the NSA is bad.
ImAMenace | 0 points
God, you're so obvious. Go away.
MakeSomethingWeWant | 1 points
The shills have figured out how to call people shills, I take it.
ImAMenace | -1 points
Ad hominem instead of proving yourself? You're making yourself sketchier and sketchier, man.
MakeSomethingWeWant | 4 points
Frankly, I'm not really concerned by "making myself" not look "sketchy" to you, whoever you are. I made my point, which was basically "pizzagate shows how big bad things only exist because the govt is paid off, which big bad things might there be?" Then you came in incoherently rambling about how this is how "they" create a narrative or whatever. Because the shills want everyone to think the govt is even worse, right?
LookAheadLolIDK | -1 points
Omg. You guys are making some major logical leaps and assumptions. I won't even say what I really feel, just that I don't believe that thus far any evidence has concretely validated this kind of worldview.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
DoublePlusGoodly | 10 points
Spend 20 years researching these topics and come back and tell me that OP is delusional. Pffft.
LookAheadLolIDK | -5 points
I think if in 20 years all you have to show for your "research" is that you might have some extremely strong confirmation biases built up shielding your beliefs from any introspection or critique and some amazing mental gymnastic ability then I'll pass.
Injectortape | 4 points
What's your story? You were following this on another account and made a throwaway to debate the validity of the pizzagate assertions?
LookAheadLolIDK | -2 points
I was following on another account and made a throwaway when an article in the NYT that was posted here was instantly, IMMEDIATELY discredited as evidence that the NYT was "implicated" in some fashion. Regardless of the fact that the sub reddit is directly mentioned. Regardless of the fact that, if there was some grand coverup plot, they would probably never mention all the things that they do so directly because if there was concern about the truth being so obvious that they anyone who looks here would see obvious evidence that would implicate higher ups, they'd be exposing all their readers to the truth, right?
tweh1909 | 8 points
They never engaged with the evidence and ran a smear disinformation campaign. Fuck off you spook you're too obvious
LookAheadLolIDK | 1 points
What?
wicked__gnar | 6 points
Seriously, why are you here spreading "alt-right=anti-Semitic" bullshit?
LookAheadLolIDK | 0 points
'Cause I've been reading the breeding grounds for alt-right thought on the internet.
People here have been using the same sort of language I've seen in those places.
wicked__gnar | 6 points
There are a lot of idiots posting a lot of idiotic things for the sole purpose of discrediting the sub. The vast majority of these people are not whatever name you want to call them.
LookAheadLolIDK | 0 points
If nobody is calling it out and if it's not against the rules, then I don't think there should be any expectation that this place will be taken seriously anytime soon. Any attempt to raise the standard here is met with insults and anti/pseudo-intellectualism.
wicked__gnar | 4 points
There are a fuck ton of people calling that shit out when they see it (hint: I am one of them). What you just said is false.
conspExec | 2 points
Looks like it's time you reviewed your own links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
tweh1909 | 3 points
A spook, like in the British sense of operative. Someone meant to spread disinformation.
I might be wrong but doubt it. Let's just fast forward to the part where you move on to another burner account, this one you're using is compromised cause you're obviously here to sow discord.
God bless, fuckface.
EDIT: Waaaow ad-hominem, we're all so intolerant, "if it's true there'd be more MSM coverage" yadda yadda fuck off before you even write it.
LookAheadLolIDK | 0 points
I'm stunned, honestly. I knew I'd be accused of this kind of thing, called a shill etc. but you're accusing me of, I'm assuming, working (as in, getting paid), to spread false information? Based on what?
Peace, y'all. You're going to dig your own graves on this one. Maybe it won't be pizza gate, but if this pattern of anti-intellectualism and cult-like groupthink continues in this movement, it's only going to be a matter of time before the line between the truth and the flat out lies is indistinguishable in your minds and you're going to be manipulated by people who know they only have to say enough to satiate your biases. It's kind of already there and it's really sad.
tweh1909 | 3 points
Good riddance. There was so much intellectual content to bite into in your posts /s. "It can't be true, you guys are all nuts". Pardon us for not giving an exegesis of your shit.
Paid or not you are hurting more than you help. Talking about optics and groupthink lol while people here are earnestly trying to unearth child abuse. For shame.
Take your stunned butthurt feelings somewhere else. Maybe the NYT will help us with our groupthink soon with their quality articles. /s Fuckwit
bumblingbuck | 2 points
LOL BTFO'ed, a non-shill account would have fought longer. Clutching his pearls, talking about digging graves.
EDIT: It's also possible if he was on the whole alt-right smear that he's just a hyper lefty who still has Hillary butthurt, but yeah good riddance either way.
EDIT2: The thing that set him off was not being called fuckface, but being called a shill. Weird.
otistoole | 2 points
a non-shill account would have fought longer.
IDK, I tend to think it would be the opposite. A shill account doesn't care if they are wrong, they don't get angry or embarrassed if they are bested, they are unflappable and resilient because they have no emotional investment in their writing. They would hang around, arguing and insisting and debating, if for no other reason than to seem busy to their employers.
Therefore, I believe that the assertions contained in your first edit are probably closer to the truth. This is most likely just some leftist who stumbled upon this place and felt like they had to put their two cents in. You know how their kind loves to 'let their voice be heard', with all the attention whoring, virtue signaling garbage that they love so much.
KiA423469420 | 1 points
You referenced that smear in the NYT as something that ought to be evidence and you're surprised to be called out for spreading disinfo? You're not a shining star of intellectualism here. Quite the opposite. Break the pattern. You're stuck in confirmation bias and projecting it to those who have more open minds.
GordoSSGranudo | -1 points
I'll answer this simply, rather you like it or not.
"The world will fall into a dark place, were the Jew to win this war." - Goebbels
Hitler warned you gentiles. But you didn't listen. Now reap what you sow.
havoc802 | 2 points
people are downvoting thinking this is completely irrelevant. They just haven't connected the dots.
tweh1909 | 1 points
Look up the origin of the word "holocaust". Ask yourself why the Nazis styled themselves after a certain Catholic order and enjoyed great cooperation with the RCC. The notion that the Jewish laity somehow deserved to be slaughtered and burned is gross, don't be surprised if people are put off this
havoc802 | 2 points
I've been reading a lot about the 6 million lately and so far it has only reinforced my beliefs.
tweh1909 | 2 points
Well I won't argue it here and muddy up everything. If you wanna say there's an esoteric history of WWII, I'm on board. If your conclusion is "jews did it and they deserved to be slaughtered and burned" I am on a very different page, not only in opinion but interpretation of the facts. Stop thinking religion vs. religion, start thinking esoteric vs. exoteric across the board.
PizzaHatingBaphomet | 2 points
I have family who died in the Holocaust. So, they're just living it up on a private island with all the evil Zionists, am I right?
sunkenberries | 127 points | Nov 22 2016 13:20:37
It's obvious. A single child-trafficker can make $150,000 each child per year. That's HUGE money. Why is our government suddenly excluded from the picture? Because the media, ran by the government, told us so? Then what about the time when the CIA was actively involved in the drug trade?
People, wake up. Your government is corrupt as fuck. There is big business in the child-trafficking trade, and the Clintons jumped onto it. WAKE THE FUCK UP. Laura Silsby wasn't "accidentally" convicted, she was doing BIG BUSINESS.
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Exec99 | 34 points | Nov 22 2016 13:58:37
The time when they were involved in the drug trade? I think the still control it.
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Joordaan21 | 5 points | Nov 22 2016 20:32:40
What don't they control
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the_friendly_dildo | 27 points | Nov 22 2016 17:12:27
This type of post seems to be a common narrative today. "Stop looking, nothing to see here. You're all just crazy"
Its not fucking crazy if the evidence all lines up to tell a very concerning story. Numerous times these pedo rings have come up. A few of them have been shut down. Others weren't properly investigated, instead being dismissed just as this post is trying to make you do.
Why would you expect that the NSA wasn't somehow implicated in this? They perform tons of behind the scenes illegal shit, along with the other intelligence agencies. This isn't an unknown or a "crazy idea", its literally the truth. One only needs to go back to when Snowden notified the world of the intricate operation to surveil much of the global communication traffic.
No one yet know how deep this problem goes and we honestly don't know exactly what the problem is that we are searching for. However, we know there is a problem, a lot of evidence seems to point toward a large pedo ring and other wrongdoings and we are trying piece it all together to find out what the fuck we are dealing with here. Closing your eyes and ears to the corruption and criminality does nothing to help anyone but those in power.
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bernitallup | 14 points | Nov 22 2016 17:31:51
Tell me about it, just got into a debate with a troll on the Futurology Thread on the front page where numerous times i told him to research the evidence on his own that there is something shady going on and the response is that we're just crazy. As if that itself is a rational argument
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whitedeer27 | 9 points | Nov 22 2016 19:09:26
Sounds like a paid troll type argument to me..
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bernitallup | 4 points | Nov 22 2016 19:35:32
Funny thing is his response was "oh sure i'm a troll with overwhelmingly positive karma and 5+ years old" so i linked to this article and his comment was removed shortly afterwards. Those paid shills be working hard for their dollars
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whitedeer27 | 7 points | Nov 22 2016 19:38:30
Haha that's fantastic. I've run across a few of the paid accounts here and on twitter. They do stick out.. the bastards. I always tell them that I understand they have to make a living somehow and selling their souls in this economy to keep food on the table is understandable :P
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Dont____Panic | -14 points | Nov 22 2016 18:19:57
You are crazy. Holy shit. This sub is hilarious.
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whitedeer27 | 12 points | Nov 22 2016 19:07:59
USAID is the CIA and they are fully involved with the Clintons in Haiti.
https://www.usaid.gov/haiti/caracol-industrial-park
The CIA shut down the "Finders" investigation in '87 when international child trafficking was involved for huge amounts of money..
The CIA was named in Franklin through Michael Aquino. Ditto in Dutroux.
The FBI has tried to investigate these issues 2 or 3 times but is shut down by the CIA every time.
The CIA runs drugs into the country and works with drug cartels, we all know that.... what does this start to look like to you? No wonder the authorities don't investigate or arrest because the authorities are the perpetrators.
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basedmagab | 5 points | Nov 22 2016 19:48:44
Are you referring to the NYPD? Couldn't they still do something? I'm pissed. There were leaks that an officer would hold his own press conference if charges were not brought. Even Blackwater founder Erik Prince said his sources told him the NYPD uncovered a major child sex ring/pedo stuff after getting Weiner's laptop. Alex Jones had a P.I. on his show with physical evidence given to him by a source.
FBI reopens Clinton email investigation
Rumors start
FBI closes case
...And all these promises are M.I.A.
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whitedeer27 | 6 points | Nov 22 2016 20:15:29
Yeah, but...
1987 - "The Finders" - FBI discovers massive syndicate of international child trafficking, blood rituals, probably programming. CIA takes over, it becomes an "internal matter" - nothing more is done. FBI investigation ends.
So the NYPD and FBI wouldn't be perpetrators here. It would be the factions like CIA who are drug running and etc, who are then making sure this is not investigated by other branches. If these cases ever showed up in court the evidence would lead to them & the gov't isn't just going to merrily prosecute itself.
The Franklin case got close to this - it did go to court, Bonacci testified that the military (Aquino) was involved. The judge felt he was telling the truth; Bonacci received 1 million in damages. So in this one case the govt actually prosecuted itself to some degree. But in all these cases extreme measures have been taken to ensure real exposure does not sake place. The system enabling these crimes to continue stays in place.
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vigilantedinosaur | 2 points | Nov 22 2016 21:29:49
You nailed it. The Departed, Black Mass, End of Watch, Sicario... It's the same thing in any crime movie you've seen where the boss is protected. You only need the highest level of the Fed to be compromised to never make anything into an actual case. Look at Loretta Lynch. Once authority to prosecute goes to the higher level, a regular cop can't do shit.
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basedmagab | 1 points | Nov 22 2016 21:15:26
Is there a good book you recommend for me to get up to speed on this stuff? I'm not familiar with The Finders/Franklin case.
I've circled Mockingbird/JFK/Nine-1-1 stuff.
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whitedeer27 | 1 points | Nov 22 2016 22:14:31
If the links are still up screen shot the treasury dept. report, and print it. Links to it have been disappearing.
Finders:
https://i.sli.mg/h8ue1f.png
https://i.sli.mg/8YHw0Y.png
https://i.sli.mg/kkSBtP.png
http://tedgunderson.info/index_htm_files/US%20Customs%20Service%20Report%20of%20Investigation%20FINDERS.pdf
Franklin:
http://www.franklincase.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=166:king-expands-into-food-service-something-on-every-burner-jan-12-1985-&catid=6:news-articles&Itemid=14
https://i.sli.mg/NHIkjs.png http://archive.is/NViPl http://www.whale.to/b/bonacci.html
This is something that people have died for looking into.
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martiansuccessor | 3 points | Nov 22 2016 20:21:18
Yep, still waiting to hear something from the NYPD. You should check out the Alex Jones thing again. If I recall correctly, people have reverse image searched the censored image the P.I. showed and it appears to be a totally innocuous picture. Just trying to keep the potentially shaky leads separate from the more convincing evidence. I've been on the fence about Alex Jones' status for a couple of years now. Hard to tell sometimes if he's genuine, controlled opposition or kind of naive and therefore susceptible to shills feeding him misleading information to discredit him when he's onto a good lead. Anyway, just my two cents on Alex. Let's hope the NYPD manages to get that press conference rolling. One way or another, we've got to get the good guys in Law Enforcement to take a bigger role (you know, like doing their job?) with this investigation.
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basedmagab | 1 points | Nov 22 2016 21:20:43
Thanks for that. Reverse Image search = really disappointing if true. I've heard the controlled oppo about Alex as well and tend to think he's not, but I'll admit to having been really let down with some shit like 33,000 emails (Roger Stone too). At least Trump won without it, but if wikileaks had those emails....
For me, the fact that Erik PRINCE was talking about this to Alex Marlow really stood out. He doesn't seem like a guy that fucks around (and being a Ron Paul fan I don't worship the guy by any measure).
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