p_za | 56 points
Why was the wethepizza hack thread removed?
care to explain mods? their website has since changed to 'coming soon' and seems pretty suspect, why was that thread supressed? Other mods were actively posting in it...
Tagging these threads as likely hoax also seems suspicious at this point, especially as it seems legit now
wahoosjw | 5 points
Not sure, I just tried to post about the website being down and it was removed instantly.
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
I am not sure why that was removed, honestly. I never read your thread, just verified that the site was in fact down.
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sleuth_bear | 1 points
or could confirm the honypot theory
The_Watterboy | 7 points
If it was a honeypot, why wouldnt you leave it up as long as possible to catch as many people as possible. This angle just doesnt make sense to me - why would you take it down as soon as only a small handful of people click it. Bleh
Sister_Lauren | 1 points
Plus what is the motive?
Honey pot? Not likely, not unless you are into child porn. That really is not a reasonable motive to explain the post.
The_Watterboy | 2 points
Well- motive sort of makes sense: try to entrap people who are investigating. But the execution doesnt make sense to me
colucci | 4 points
I had the top comment there, calling out OP for being a troll.
The case is that we have a pizza shop in DC whereas the chef has connections with high ranking officials. And we have this person who posted disgusting, criminal material on the subreddit, alleging that it was obtained by hacking the site of the pizza shop. The fact that the chef at that pizza plays has ties to big name politicians is very damning, but the reality remains that the vital piece of information - the client list - was not shared by OP. So he could be forging this story.
p_za | 6 points
"Spike Mendelsohn is the "head chef" at We The Pizza. Okay. I searched google for: mendelsohn filetype:pdf and this came up. http://abra.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/abra/publication/attachments/WethePizzaetal-682016.pdf Kookoovaya, Inc. is listed as "we, the pizza" headquartered in DC"
if you google kookoovaya it brings up lots of owl/pedo jewellery logos stuff... linking to other things that have appeared in the last week.. some really weird shit here
colucci | 7 points
Let alone the fact that Andrew Kline is representing We the pizza too.
I remember your username, you replied to me when I was calling out OP for trolling in the first threat about 4 hours ago.
At this point I think we're starting to have enough info to actually take that guy seriously.
p_za | 6 points
yeah, plus their companies have restaurants in capitol hill, beside the CIA HQ, and in Saudi Arabia.. pretty strange locations
DonaldTrumpIsAChomo | 3 points
I haven't seen any significant info debunking the wethepizza lead. It is strange that it keeps getting tagged a hoax and removed.
sleuth_bear | 3 points
some redditors claims that there was a direct link to cp, (which to download is a felony) but there was nothing to tie it to that site. After doing simple research to the site (looking with webcrawlers for hidden files,) the site disappeared. Maybe it was a honypot.
DonaldTrumpIsAChomo | 5 points
So he just baited a bunch of us to download CP and anyone who clicked will be prosecuted? You gotta hand it to him for being an evil genius if that's really the case.
wahoosjw | 2 points
Especially since the website was taken down, that points to it being legit, but the mods are censoring that.
coulditbe223 | 4 points
Yeah: In the original thread (was reading it when it was active) the OP said he had the files or w/e, and that the website's source code had recently been changed or something, and then all of a sudden the website changes to "Coming soon".. Very sketchy to me. However I should also note: I'm not as tech savvy as many others, so perhaps there is another explanation that escapes me.
edit: Just to clarify, I think it's sketchy that some people were saying that what the OP was saying (the source code being changed) was false (trying to discredit him maybe?) and then all of a sudden the site goes to "coming soon" mode.
Idk what to think. anyone?
Stratovaried | 1 points
I compared the wayback-machine source-code to to the site while it was still up, but the older archived versions seemed to be the same. So the part about the "whole site being completely different" seemed unlikely, unless he was talking about the admin/member areas or something.
DonaldTrumpIsAChomo | 2 points
Yeah what the actual fuck. They could not have coincidentally taken it down in that time frame. It was a direct result from the original post.
wahoosjw | 1 points
I messaged the mods about them removing my post. It was just a link to the down site, not sure what rule that broke. Have yet to hear back.
justforthissubred | 1 points
Why does it even matter what a bunch of redditors on pizzagate think anyways? this stuff just should be reported to the authorities and they will go after them it's not like we can actually do anything actionable
DonaldTrumpIsAChomo | 3 points
I think what you are failing to understand about pizzagate is that it is a vigilante-esque movement built on decades of negligence about the issue from law enforcement.
justforthissubred | 1 points
My point is that if the guy had such solid evidence to bust some people, then thinking pizzagate mods are actually going to inhibit justice being done by censoring threads seems ridiculous to me. Not to mention that the fact many people think these mods are compromised is paranoia imo
They do a good job and have been transparent
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extraspoke | 2 points
i mean that's kind of fuckin wierd that the site was taken down, could it just be a response to increased traffic to a site that probably gets none usually?
Sister_Lauren | 5 points
If the pedophiles really are running our government (all evidence indicates that they are), and if this was a REAL amateur hack of a child torture operation run for the amusement of our political and military leaders (it's possible), then you should have expected them to notice it immediately and to act on it.
The idea that the CIA et. al. runs a major pedophile ring for our politicians and DOES NOT monitor sites like this would be very, very, very naive.
laviequotidienne | 3 points
That wouldn't lead to 'coming soon' IMO. Would likely be some sort of error message if that was the case
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
Guys,
Whether it was legitimate or not we can't have an open thread with links to actual CP.
That being said, why would the OP post the CP and not the other evidence that was not actually illegal (i.e. client list, "menu")? A "honeypot" is not out of the realm of possibilities and anyone who downloaded the files should get it to the police immediately to protect themselves.
It is very odd that the wethepizza.com is now shut-down. It is accessible though waybackmachine. Start digging, but protect yourself.
Most of all if you find anything like u/ihavedamningevidence found, get it to any local police department immediately to protect your self by establishing a chain of evidence.
extraspoke | 2 points
"anyone who downloaded the files should get it to the police immediately to protect themselves."
more like start your new life as a wandering hobo with no identity
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
I assume they were behind vpn, proxies, tor and can provide enough evidence to local pd that would keep them out of trouble
debora111 | 1 points
Next time there is such a hoax/honeypot expect it to be less blatantly weak. Keep in mind people whoever did this went through the trouble of procuring not only CP but child snuff pictures (torture). This suggests a very determined OP.
This experience needs to make our investigation stronger, more resilient to disinformation.
Personally this kind of blatant and professional attempts at disinformation makes me only more angry and determined!
Here is what we need to look for next time this happens
https://np.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5e0kox/how_could_a_pizzagate_hacker_prove_shes_not_full/
sheik_yerbouti_jr | 2 points
It is very odd that the wethepizza.com is now shut-down.
Biggest red flag : the apparent hackers are talking about hacking the pizza parlour in DC, not the website on a server in Texas.
So if you want to believe them, that is that they stole it from the parlour, why is the server down?
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pizzathrowaway777 | 2 points
I have been vetting /u/newfoundland_urth for a mod spot for the past week and I added him today because its currently the weekend our other moderators were not as active today as they have been, and the removal of the CP in this post was not handled quickly enough.
We cannot have posts with CP on this subreddit. Aside from the fact that this clearly violates Reddit TOS and will get the subreddit shut down, we do not need people investigating pizzagate downloading CP onto their computers and compromising themselves.
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
It is not difficult to look at my post history, buddy.
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newfoundland_urth | 1 points
Be sure to point out any time you think I am colluding with the enemy, okay? Again I urge you to read through my post history. I have been in this sub from the beginning, and was added to help answer important questions like this thread. As you can imagine it is tough to trust anyone. I realize the timing may appear to be suspicious but I can assure you I want nothing more than to expose child abuse in Washington, and that I have been fighting the fight from the beginning of this scandal.
More importantly, I did not remove the thread. I am simply providing a reasonable explanation for its removal and suggested we continue to look in to this lead independently.
Please continue to dig, I think this could be a HUGE lead, we just need to be extremely careful for the integrity of this sub.
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newfoundland_urth | 3 points
u/pizzathrowaway777 started this sub, and through sheer will kept it alive despite a clear push from the organizations you listed to misdirect and discredit this investigation. I completely understand your concern about the timing, but I hope you can see I have nothing to hide, and want to help as much as you seem to!
riverjustice | 1 points
wethepizza.com shutdown is not just strange and it isn't coincidental. Please sticky this thread.
Duderino732 | 1 points
They just took their wethepizza website down. It's legit. They are scared and covering their tracks as we speak.
wahoosjw | 0 points
Why is linking to the site saying it's down CP? Especially if it's a "likely hoax", and the site is just a pizza website.
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
Because the OP had a download link for CP in the thread. If you care about this sub, then I hope you can see why it needed to be removed.
wahoosjw | 1 points
Of course the cp link needed to be removed, but labeling the rest of it likely hoax, especially after the website went down. As well as deleting my post, which was just a link to the down website, seems odd.
newfoundland_urth | 1 points
Agreed. I think the other mods are extra scared of threatening the integrity of the sub and are reacting more quickly, and extremely than necessary. That being said people helping with this investigation getting caught in a honeypot would be bad for the legitimacy of our work.
wahoosjw | 2 points
I guess so, we do have to be careful, but given the area we're dealing with any evidence we find could put us in danger, I think we need to come up with a procedure to follow if someone finds evidence that could be CP, and put in the sidebar.
justforthissubred | 1 points
Add to that it does little good to post that stuff here.., that stuff needs to go to law-enforcement which begs the question why did he post it here? it's very fishy. IMO
stereoblind | 0 points
To play devil's advocate: it needed to be removed and processed differently if anyone is to take the guy seriously. If you click on the CP he provided, you're probably going to prison and now they have all of your info logged by the FBI and every other alphabet agency. Providing a link to actual CP was not a way to go about what he did. He never should've provided that link. If he was legit, the "prices.pdf" is what should've come out first. It smelled way too much like a honeypot and was way too dangerous to leave that thread up as it was. OP should've come at it very differently. The safety of every redditor who clicked on his links is now in extreme jeopardy.
p_za | 5 points
yeah thats obvious (or atleast should be), but the link was deleted, and the discussion was still continuing and it was valid... no need to kick it off the top of the subreddit just as it was heating up
stereoblind | 3 points
Eh if I was a mod here and saw a thread that looked like it was going to put my users in extreme danger of going to prison, I probably would've removed it as well. They had a tough call to make between allowing something to stay up that could legitimately put innocent people in prison or take it down and avoid that kind of trouble all together. If the WeThePizza OP was serious and really wanted to investigate that place then he's probably more than welcome to make a new thread and not put up a link that could put people in prison and release the info in a safer way.
p_za | 5 points
I agree but they had already removed the link/post in question, taking the whole thread with it an hour later seemed uncessary to me. But yeah I understand your point and im mostly in agreement
DumbScribblyUnctious | 1 points
I agree but they had already removed the link/post in question, taking the whole thread with it an hour later seemed uncessary to me.
It's not possible to do if the post is the one that starts the discussion chain. If it were posted as a comment on the OP instead of being edited into the OP itself, ONLY THEN could it be pruned selectively. If a post gets flagged as spam or removed it unilaterally becomes invisible to general users, as does every comment associated with it (beyond viewing parts of it from your comment history).
Moderators cannot selectively edit the content of self-text posts.
p_za | 1 points
ahh - I was unaware that it had been edited into OP, that makes sense now - thankyou.
PraiseBeKEK | 0 points
I fucking hate this subreddit because I zero faith in mods. This guy from the security firm that visited us too? that was a distraction. Social engineering? wtf you called and asked for the password to the website? who the fuck would keep 2gbs of CP on an online server that isnt highly encrypted?
GoHeadBeGoneWithIt | -4 points
because the guy seemed sketchy
coulditbe223 | 3 points
Is there not an inherent sketchiness to anyone trying to protect their identity and their self on the internet?
You cannot truly know who anyone is, that is the point of anonymity
p_za | 2 points
that doesnt strike me as a valid reason for supressing the discussion personally, there was a lot of interesting developments being made, and there seems to be a counter action taking place.. just seems like the kind of threads this subreddit was made for...
Sister_Lauren | 1 points
Since it still works for me and is updating with more and more comments, I would suggest the NSA might be preventing you from accessing it. IMO, they do that.
I think they have very sophisticated computer programs that prevent a lot of people from seeing a lot of stuff on the internet. It could be one of their ways of keeping congress and the public in the dark.
p_za | 1 points
no its still there.. its just been deleted by a mod, so it doesnt show up on the top of the subreddit anymore
Sister_Lauren | 1 points
So it is time to post links to it on other websites. I like TruthDig and The Real News Network but they are not showing any interest at all in covering this explosive story.
sheik_yerbouti_jr | 1 points
that doesnt strike me as a valid reason for supressing the discussion personally,
Au contraire.
It really did look like a troll posted it for attention. And one of the tactics to silence a real thread is to throw something else into it .
Lunnes | 10 points | Nov 20 2016 19:52:25
Funny thing is the post was first tagged as "Verified" then "Speculation" then it was removed.
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Sister_Lauren | 3 points | Nov 20 2016 19:55:13
I'm still showing it as updating with more comments each time. Here is a link, see if it works for you. https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5dykv3/i_have_cracked_into_an_unidentified_pizza/
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therealcatspajamas | 3 points | Nov 20 2016 23:05:06
I think it's reasonable to remove the post if it contained CP.
Whatever our intentions are here, posting CP to this sub is just asking for Reddit admins to shut the entire sub down.
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Lunnes | 2 points | Nov 20 2016 23:08:06
The post didn't contain CP, a comment did
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therealcatspajamas | 1 points | Nov 20 2016 23:17:14
Oh really? I never saw the post. Do you have a ceddit link to it? I was scared to look at it because I thought it might have CP
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Lunnes | 1 points | Nov 20 2016 23:24:02
https://imgur.com/a/OuIcb
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