wditdwbbttl | 14 points | Nov 14 2016 02:33:28

Have you ever heard of someone use the word "map" to mean face?

Have you ever heard someone talk about the "face" of a handkerchief?

Please_Dont_Laugh | 18 points | Nov 14 2016 02:41:55

I've seen an influx of posts like this. It follows... 1. Everyone here will hate me 2. But I have disproved everything 3. Through my flimsy research 4. Link 5. Link 6. Link 7. So here's what they really meant 8. As you can see, Nothing nefarious here just people writing emails like total fucking wierdos 9. Nothing to see here everyone please go back to r/all

Seen like 3 of these today already and they follow similar formats. Screencap my comment and yours, in case this post gets deleted for "some reason"

Please_Dont_Laugh | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 02:43:48

Wow mobile formatting screwed my number system :(

EyesWide0pen2017 | 10 points | Nov 14 2016 02:50:14

I have noticed this same pattern, you are spot on.

Oh and look, you even attracted more CTR attention below.

Please_Dont_Laugh | 8 points | Nov 14 2016 02:53:53

Whoops whoops whoops.

Nothing to see here ctr, go back to r/conspiracy. We are all crazy nutjobs falling into rabbit holes. We are nothing to be feared

TwoPipes | -7 points | Nov 14 2016 02:45:41

probably because they're all posted by me. Cos I'm debunking this Pizzagate thing and I know how defensive people can get. But I want people to see these, and make their own mind up. Thus, not wanting mass downvotes.

InvestigateThatShit | 10 points | Nov 14 2016 02:55:38

Cos I'm debunking this Pizzagate thing

How about instead of debunking being the focus, you offer up some critical thinking like you did in this post. Bring your thoughts, be respectful and you're doing the right thing.

If you get way way off the beaten path a bunch of times. Well... then you will start to lose some credibility.

But for a moment let us assume that what you brought here opened all of our eyes and you explained this one sentence in the email. How would you begin to explain all of these other correlations? I'm genuinely curious. Your answer will help me to see if you're really looking for the truth or desperate for all of this research to go away.

TwoPipes | -4 points | Nov 14 2016 03:01:05

I'm not desperate for the research to go away. I was part of the research, I was even a mod on this subreddit till I resigned.

But the more I researched the more I realized, actually, the whole basis of pizzagate is built on very flimsy ground. I also noticed less people interested in finding the truth, and more so looking for stupid shit like...a spiral on a logo. Or every triangle is now a pedo symbol, someone was even trying to link PizzaHut with it. It's become the typical conspiracy crap, attracting the usual crowd who think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

That's what has happened.

If anything, I'm not dismissing the entire theory. But I honestly believe John Podesta is innocent. The ONLY person of suspicion left at this point is the owner of PingPongPizza.

chickenlover is pretty weird and incriminating.

Please_Dont_Laugh | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 03:08:14

Those first instances. Pizza hut and pedo symbol hunt, were shills trying to discredit. If we don't investigate podesta, then Jimmy will take the fall for him, the same way podesta and huma would take the fall for Hillary if we investigated them.

TwoPipes | -5 points | Nov 14 2016 03:10:10

They're not shills, just conspiracy theory enthusiasts. I'm not a shill, I don't think there are any shills.

There are: 1) Conspiracy fans 2) Random people who hear about the theory and post here for a laugh 3) Actual people researching it

InvestigateThatShit | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 03:27:52

I also noticed less people interested in finding the truth, and more so looking for stupid shit like...a spiral on a logo. Or every triangle is now a pedo symbol, someone was even trying to link PizzaHut with it. It's become the typical conspiracy crap, attracting the usual crowd who think EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

There is some truth to that. Don't you feel that should be part of the process though? We have uncovered some very odd things hiding out in plain sight. This whole process is akin to sifting soil through multiple layers of screens. There will be some nuggets, there will be some useless dirt. But if we just stop because one load of soil doesn't produce a nugget then we're left with nothing. I can assure you we are not stopping.

Seems like you want to discredit the entire movement because you disagree with some of the processes. That's a shame and I feel that will put you you on the opposite end of the spectrum of people who see one thing and try to draw lines and make ridiculous associations where they simply don't exist.

Perhaps it would be better for you to do more research in private and come forward with the really concrete stuff?

pizzapartywithkids | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 03:38:36

But the more I researched the more I realized, actually, the whole basis of pizzagate is built on very flimsy ground.

I've felt like this so many times.

Then I remember that Beau Biden, as the Delaware state Attorney General, defended the position of a judge to let the dupont fortune heir and admitted child molester off with probation, after he admitted to sexual interaction with his 3 year old daughter. - https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5cmejk/in_2014_delaware_ag_beau_biden_son_of_vp_biden/

I remember that our secret service was implicated with prostitutes down in Columbia, which also implicated the son of a very close friend of Podesta, who was relieved of any wrongdoing. - https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5cmhqu/the_dach_link/

I remember that the likes of Clinton et al are friends with convicted pederast with a slap on the wrist, Jeffery Epstein. And that Clinton and Podesta keep other very shady individuals as close company.

These together remind me that something strange is going on at the top end of our elite class of people, where they can get away with whatever they want.

I remember that Sasha Lord, associate of James Alefantis/Comet Ping Pong, has contracted and accepted rather deliberate artwork depicting child sex abuse rituals. And that Sasha Lord has the close associate of Heavy Breathing who sings rather deliberately about pedophilia. And that the bar tender and Alefantis have shared numerous rather curiously strange sexually deviant and suggestive images featuring pizza across instagram. All of this while maintaining that Comet Ping Pong is a family friendly location.

Now, this could just be an enormous fuckup on all our parts and an amazing string of coincidences. Or these could all be linked and we just havent quite connected all the dots, even though we know that all involved are associates of one another.

Please_Dont_Laugh | 4 points | Nov 14 2016 02:50:59

Feckin research as in using freedictionary.com. lol you are a true Sherlock Holmes. What I imagine, which of course is anxiety driven consipiracy, is that someone added onto the website, map to mean face, so that map could therefore = design on hankercheif. In order to cover their ass and refute our claims through the same method you just used. Of course everyone here is jumping to conclusions, but that's the point, without our claims, people like you would just keep burying the cause.

Edit: added comma and an s to ass

Please_Dont_Laugh | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 02:54:50

Wait your comment said something different before I posted. I should have screencapped

TwoPipes | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 02:55:47

no it didn't.

Please_Dont_Laugh | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 02:58:09

Okay then maybe I am crazy. I need to start taking my blue pills again silly me

OkieCowboy | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 02:57:27

So when does the debunking start?

justforthissubred | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 05:31:27

The fact this tool stated he's here to debunk means he has an agenda and so anything he says should be immediately disqualified . He's not looking for facts at all and will refute any evidence.

thehlkncrdbl1 | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 04:35:57

Code words http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-pedophile-code-words-podesta/

Yea/nay?

TwoPipes | 0 points | Nov 14 2016 02:44:13

Well, honestly. It must be a thing to be on free dictionary.

Have you ever heard of someone use the word map to mean, semen/sweat to trace you of pedophilic crimes whilst viewing a house? No, that's baseless theory.

Keep in mind, the context of these emails. They are looking at houses. More specifically, vacation rentals (look at the URLs of each place they visited)

"The realtor found a handkerchief" - real estater. Aka, the person showing them the house to rent

In the same emails, they also say: "kitchen island"... now, I've never called or heard anyone say kitchen island either. But lo and behold:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=kitchen+island.&biw=1920&bih=950&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjA9L3UnKfQAhUqAsAKHWAnDuMQ_AUIBygC

So, perhaps these people just speak oddly to describe things.

wditdwbbttl | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 02:46:53

I've always said kitchen island.

ETEl2NAL407 | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 06:28:08

The realtor isn't showing the property. They're sweeping it. This email that went to podesta is an alert.

"This is embarrassing. Our realtor who leased us the property and has a good don't ask don't tell policy, brought something to my attention that was left behind after the most recent "party". Is it yours, do you need it back, could it be evidence, or is it just trash that I can throw out without being suicided?"

There. I translated the email for you. Now find out what that something was and stop wasting our time.

TwoPipes | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 12:31:48

Wrong

Because that ignores the context of the emails, in which they were looking at vacation houses. They looked at 3 in each location.

The URLs show the property's are to rent, which is why a realtor was at the property to begin with.

The first email is also sent from Kathryn, who works in real estate. Why are they with someone from real estate whilst looking at rented properties...because they want to rent a property. Specifically holiday rentals.

That's what all these emails are about, in context. The handkerchief email is taken out of context to fit a narrative.

Now look who sent the handkerchief email, Kathryn, the real estator. (who was showing them the rented property, "Thanks, Kate. We all really enjoyed it and it was very informative for us".

The reason she emails John over something so small is because it's her job.

ETEl2NAL407 | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 12:34:43

You're too biased for me to continue with. If you can't understand the fundamental idea behind these rental properties, I see why you're getting so far off track, but for you to defend such a position after many others have told you otherwise shows extreme cognitive dissonance. Get lost, cuck.

TwoPipes | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 12:44:10

Haha, you're too biased that you have got offended by someone giving an innocent explanation for these emails.

Innocent until proven guilty, I'm sure you've preached that before. You've made the unfounded logical jump to think renting a holiday home is immediately linked to child abuse. You've then made the jump of someone leaving a handkerchief as a pedo code, rather than leaving a handkerchief.

Even when with a real estate agent with them the whole time (they shared a car). So I guess the real estate agent is also running in the operation!

It just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. Even the smallest amount and it falls apart.

DumbScribblyUnctious | 1 points | Nov 15 2016 01:23:21

And you're going way too far beyond just offering devil's advocate positions and instead are fully committed to debunking things.

Take a few days off from this to stop being such an ass.

InvestigateThatShit | 7 points | Nov 14 2016 02:45:39

Before you are burned alive let me first say I appreciate people bringing alternate views on stuff like this. Takes balls to offer up your opinion with everything so heated as it is. It shows that we are being objective (even if it means reaching) and trying to find the actual truth by looking at all points of view.

Speaking for myself personally, when you are in the trenches you start to jump to conclusions very fast and sometimes your instincts take over.

That said... sorry man, this isn't it. The verbiage used is beyond weird. Something is up. That of course is my personal opinion, but one that is shared by many.

CatacystFPV | 5 points | Nov 14 2016 02:45:25

I liked your critical viewpoint to a degree, but honestly, do you honestly believe it meant to be face as in a surface of a handkerchief? That's a bit reaching in my opinion.

TwoPipes | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 02:48:10

I'd say it's less of a reach as the current accepted theory.

Face of a handkerchief makes perfect sense, if I said that, people would know what I meant.

Map can be used to mean face.

Not much of a stretch imo

Please_Dont_Laugh | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 02:56:14

Yeah but I have never heard of the connection from map to face. That is your reach, and is only proved by a random website. Once you get Webster to say map = face then I'll be on your side

TwoPipes | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 03:07:03

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/map

http://dictionary.infoplease.com/map

http://lingomash.com/slang-meanings/73882/slang-meaning-of-map

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/map

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/map

that definition is in the The American Heritage Dictionary according to: http://www.yourdictionary.com/map

Please_Dont_Laugh | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 03:20:45

If you had the power... Wouldn't you try to discredit by changing definitions of words in webpages to help those trying to discredit, discredit? That's where I'm at, and if I had to ability I would look into the last time those pages were updated, as my theory is that it is recently.

But back to the original comment that gave me reason to comment. Who in the fuck would say map, instead of face, or even design. Why go through extra steps, because if you didn't know that map meant design, and I didnt, and neither did this whole sub. Do you think that a real estate agent would have? Its just so obscure I refuse to believe is a coincidence.

TwoPipes | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 03:23:09

The definition is literally in a printed book.

https://wordery.com/the-american-heritage-desk-dictionary-american-heritage-9780547708133?currency=GBP&gtrck=RlBsMEZsc1VPTUhCcnZSaEorME95N3JqWVVja0wrZk4xMlp3a3lUcTRyOGo4NDRsZXpKdnQ2aU5Nc2xHbEZZYkxObTZIR0JRVmJLNFFNZ05sNmYzNFE9PQ&gclid=CjwKEAiAu6DBBRDDr6-e_6698E0SJACvuxny-2jZ5BTQphmULdb1Rps1UqahXJJhtAktPU-LZ07fhxoCB-zw_wcB

Printed 2012, so the theory shills added that definition is wrong.

ZornsLemmon | 4 points | Nov 14 2016 02:45:24

Go away

TwoPipes | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 02:50:57

Alright, answer me this:

In the emails, they look at 3 vacation houses to rent. At what point, would John take out some incriminating evidence, whilst viewing a property up for rent, and place it on the kitchen island?

And not only that, but then say "It's not a big deal" and leave said incriminating evidence in a property none of them even own, and will be viewed by others later?

ArchonFall4All | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 03:39:39

It's a valid question and is why we need to keep researching. But honestly your explanation is more far fetched than what's already been floating around. And when you claim, "I've figured it out," it feels like you're trying to manipulate public opinion rather than contribute to the discussion. Snopes comes to mind and might be hiring

TwoPipes | 3 points | Nov 14 2016 03:50:29

I can answer the question.

He used a handkerchief to blow his nose / wipe sweat, and forgot he left it out. It's not a big deal because it's just a piece of fabric, not worth much.

Now, here's some more analysis which strengthens my theory.

" I know you’re

busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it."

If this handkerchief was 1) A pedo code 2) Used as a momento whilst raping children (or some other theory along those lines.)

The people asking would already know it's his. They're using the pedo lingo, they can read the code. They would know John Podesta is involved if they even had to ask to begin with, they would not leave it there and ask if it was his A DAY later. (and by email no less, the slowest way to get an urgent message across)

They would know, without a doubt it was Johns. Because they would have to know about his secret, in order to know it was "pizza" related to begin with.

Think about it, in order for Susan to know about the pedo thing, she must know John is one. In which case, she would not ask.

justforthissubred | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 06:12:00

Still doesn't explain JP's creepy pedo art collection. Or all the other creepy pedo shit or the spirit cooking etc. Even if this one piece of the puzzle is a dead end as you are so desperately trying to convince us, all that other shit is still really incriminating.

TwoPipes | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 12:21:50

Having a weird and unsettling art taste does not make one a pedo.

We've established the woman who did the spirit cooking has links with the democratic party. And she is also known for strange contemporary art.

Watch the spirit cooking video, it's just some weird arty crap. Not an actual satanic ritual. They wouldn't film it and share it online, with her name attached otherwise.

QUITTERMAKER | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 14:52:06

TwoPipes is a schill. Everything he's ever posted is 100% against Pizzagate.

TwoPipes | 1 points | Nov 14 2016 17:31:30

https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5cexwy/bombshell_lead_4chan_under_ddos_after_finding/