Filmpolice | 1174 points
Make this viral until we get a sufficient explanation (if mods delete this without an answer, this sub has been compromised)AnonIDIOTA | 83 points
http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/01/06/reports-police-know-who-kidnapped-madeleine-mccann-can%E2%80%99t-arrest-them
Watch this news cast from 2014...ignore the part about theives.
MAGABoomer | 29 points
That's the shit RIGHT THERE. Jaysus FUCKING H CHRIST the rabbit hole is deep and dark.
lvl1ndgalvl3 | 13 points
ELI5 what the takeaways are from this bit?
I just simply get that the UK says to know who did it, but won't tell. I was thinking maybe an American reference would come up, if it did - I missed it. Maybe I watched the video from the wrong perspective. I stumbled over here linked from another sub.
archmcd | 22 points
Interesting that the email was to Herbert & Marion Sandler, the co-CEOs that destroyed the US economy with the 2008 mortgage crisis. In 2006, they sold World Savings Bank, poisoned with one of the largest bad mortgage portolios in the US, to Wachovia, one of the top 4 banks who, among others, failed after acquiring a large portfolio of bad mortgages.
The Sandlers have very close connections to Soros.
ithasanh | 20 points
Does anyone have any information regarding the connection between the podesta's and known pedophile Clement Freud around the time of McCann's abduction?
12Anon12 | 11 points
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bk3t6/what_the_fucking_fuck_is_someone_playing_a/
Go down and you should start seeing links.
CTRsuperserial | 15 points
Can you prove Podesta had an iCloud account or an iPhone before may 3 2007? The Wikileaks dump was from podesta's iCloud account, how can you know when that was set up?
Filmpolice | 15 points
Good question, and yest. There are emails from 2006, so he definitely had it before 2007. It's just that there is a mysterious absence of emails from the relevant time period. Either Wikileaks intentionally held back from revealing those emails (saving them for insurance?) or Podesta was inactive during that time or Podesta deleted the emails from that time. Any of these cry out for an explanation.
Kamikazimuth | 12 points
I guess asking WL directly (twitter?) on emails from that time period might attract unwanted attention?
My gut tells me they have it. Stupid tin foil hat's telling me it's what's keeping JA alive.
damnittohelll | 8 points
I don't think iphones existed in may of 2007. I'm not sure if icloud did either.
newfoundland_urth | 8 points
I am completely in the dark about "Police renderings" but how often are they actually used as a basis for probable cause to move the investigation further? I agree that this is suspicious, but with the sheer number of children we are talking about here, why are we so focused on this one instance? Maybe I am tired of seeing this same info over and over again without any real headway, but I highly doubt you can claim there was probable cause with the evidence provided in this infographic. Keep digging guys, there are people on the fringes of this ring that were not nearly as careful as Podesta and the sheer volume of weird associations is in itself damning!
pelirrojo | 22 points
Here's my take on this... It's far too uncanny a resemblance to be coincidence.
Local police know who is responsible but are getting blocked by superiors. Therefore they publish this identikit of the 'person of interest' so that at some point in the future investigators will put two and two together.
MAGABoomer | 12 points
Oh they know
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html
pelirrojo | 10 points
You are suggesting it was Freud himself?
Interesting, they touch on how Freud looked to cook elaborate meals for his victims before abusing them.
Obviously the Podestas pride themselves on their cooking.
Is there some occult practise based around food and sexual acts?
[deleted] | 1 points
Well occultists tend to be more hedonistic.
rickroalddahl | 5 points
We should find some of these letters Freud wrote and see if he ever talked about pizza.
MAGABoomer | 9 points
And then there's...http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/01/06/reports-police-know-who-kidnapped-madeleine-mccann-can%E2%80%99t-arrest-them
madisonrebel | 4 points
It is a coincidence. The two sketches were of a single person: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/
Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.
Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.
If you downvote hard evidence in favor of what wild unsubstantiated fantasies you want to believe, realize that you care nothing about the truth.
pelirrojo | 1 points
You're dreaming if you believe that narrative.
These images were created in 2013, what's that 6 years after she went missing?
There's no way that anyone involved believed it to be a useful depiction of a man someone saw walking on a beach 6 years earlier.
madisonrebel | 3 points
I don't give a damn about narratives. I care about facts. Do you have any evidence to show that the police sketches were of two different people? Telling me I'm gullible or a liar isn't evidence; it's evidence of someone with irrational thinking.
I might add that your apparent hypothesis is that the police put out these sketches years afterward that were actually of the Podestas, and they're still up, but in order to hide the fact that it was the Podestas they just claimed it was a single person rather than take the pictures off their website? That's pretty farfetched considering how quickly others are taking things down, such as on Instagram and Archive.
pelirrojo | 0 points
If I were on a jury I'd throw that e fit out as evidence due to the time span between when it happened and when it was generated.
One thing we know for a fact is that with regards to the Clinton and Podesta group, there are insiders in law enforcement who are leaking information because they are being blocked by superiors.
Given the visual similarity to the Podestas, the Podesta's relationships with known paedos, the deleted emails, the nature of this town as a paedo resort, the Podesta's known to vacation in Portugal... Given all that I'm much more inclined to believe this is leaked information than a 6 year old memory.
PaulAJK | 1 points
Or alternatively, they both saw 2 guys together, and the wife remembered one and the husband the other.
ZornsLemmon | 10 points
I'm assuming that they don't do police sketches for no reason. Why would they do them if it wasn't going to be used in situations like this. The likeness is uncanny!
seventhdamnaccount | 2 points
From what I know, eye witness accounts are often very flawed, and police sketches can be unreliable (it's better to show a bunch of faces and have them pick the one that looks most similar, and keep repeating until they get a face that they think is right). However, many sketches have been accurate.
My opinion is that there's no real way to tell. Who was the witness, and how good of a look did they get of the criminals?
cky_stew | 7 points
I don't know about this. I think it's a huge stretch compared to everything else being investigated on this sub.
Hundreds of thousands of children go missing every year. Of all the cases to focus on and compare photos, what's been chosen is possibly the most famous case of a missing child in the last 20 years . What are the chances of that case being involved with what is being uncovered right now?
Why would these two possible abduct her on their own and risk being identified or caught? These are two very rich men, who have never slipped up anywhere else, it just seems stupid.
It's already been established that the podestas travel all the time , so it's really not that much of a coincidence that one of them was away at the time.
So the only thing you've got to go on is that one sketch vaguely resembles Tony, and the other.. only connection I can see is that he's fat, looks totally different in every other aspect.
I think you're clutching at straws here guys. Also, what do you mean sufficient explanation? Explanation of what, from who?
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cky_stew | 4 points
You're hypothesising doesn't line up with the origin of those sketches. These sketches are two different descriptions of the same person. I know police think there were more people involved, but that's irrelevant to these sketches given by the witnesses. They were given of the same person they both witnessed (I've seen you just ignoring this elsewhere in the thread so I don't expect a very intelligent reply on this point). You can't have it both ways.
1 sketch looks like tony, the other just looks like a fat guy. Tony/John are always travelling and there are many, many other cases of unanswered/deleted emails in the leaks. The rest of your string of "coincidentally" comments are 100% unrelated to Madeline McCann and irrelevant to my point.
The case was high profile because of the media reaction to it, and the strange circumstances in which it occurred. What are you suggesting, the police forced the media to cover it because they knew the perpetrator was high profile and they wanted the world to find out about it?! That makes no sense.
damnittohelll | 6 points
Nobody saying it's them just that it's an awful fucking series of coincidences not to investigate.
cky_stew | 5 points
I'm not preventing anyone from investigating it, nor am I attempting to.
I'm free to be sceptical of something I see as bullshit and clutching on straws. Compared to the rest of this sub, this picture is fucking laughable to me.
If there weren't people like me calling bullshit, this place would turn into an echo chamber. Just look at OP's replies to some of the comments, particularly regarding the origin of the sketches. He wants to believe and is ignoring/sidestepping evidence that is contrary to his confirmation bias.
Corpsedust | 7 points
This is a huge stretch, and i dont like that if you challenge this it automatically means " THIS SUB IS COMPROMISED/ YOURE A SHILL"
historyinthemakingg | 5 points
Isnt the pictures supposed to be one guy?
Filmpolice | 18 points
No. INITIALLY it was believed that there was one suspect. There are now as many as six.
Confirmation: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24539403 https://www.thiscomplexworld.com/real-csi-cell-site-analysis/
Achievement_Haunter | 11 points
I'm going to make one more attempt to make this as basic as I can for you and then I'm washing my hands of it.
Point 1: The two police sketches in question were made from descriptions given by an Irish couple by the names of Martin and Mary Smith. This is a documented fact that I am completely unable to find disputed anywhere .
Point 2: The Smiths' story is well documented in the press and on the web. Example 1. Example 2. Example 3.
Point 3: The Smiths only ever described seeing ONE PERSON that seemed suspicious to them. This is what they told police, and it is this ONE PERSON that formed the basis of these particular police sketches .
Point 4: Whether or not there are multiple suspects is immaterial to the solid, indisputable fact that these two pictures were generated from the witnessing of ONE INDIVIDUAL by two witnesses who were together at the time.
Conclusion: These two police sketches cannot possibly be renderings of both of the Podesta brothers.
aaava1 | 9 points
Are you serious? As soon as I saw your 'point 2' I new the whole post was complete bs. The McCanns hired a high-level PR firm to control what the press wrote. And there was some people in top levels of gov't that did not want any real facts of this case to come out.
The end result is that anyone with half-a-brain knows that the story the press has been feeding the populace about the McCann kidnapping is completely false. Stop shilling. You're not dealing with fools or naive people around here.
If anyone wants to understand what the real facts are of the McCann case, do a web search on Richard D Hall/richplanet.net.
Achievement_Haunter | 8 points
OK. Show me some real evidence that these sketches represent two different people and I will eat my humble pie and go away.
MAGABoomer | 11 points
because they do. The sketches in no way shape or form resemble each other. What they do resemble is the two very different looking from each other Podesta brothers...right. down. to. Tony's. mole.
madisonrebel | 6 points
because they do.
If this is the kind of shit that's going to pass for "arguments" in this subreddit, then nothing is ever going to be exposed and we are wasting our time.
MAGABoomer | 5 points
Listen snowflake, and try again. I know you're not used to using logic and observation skills and or putting anything more difficult than your shattered spirit together...but the drawings ARE of John Podesta and his brother Tony, right down to the mole on Tony. There is quite literally nothing that you can say or do to convince people that the drawing of the skinny guy and the drawing of the fat man are the same damn person.
It's already been exposed.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/01/06/reports-police-know-who-kidnapped-madeleine-mccann-can%E2%80%99t-arrest-them
Please go slow...have you any fucking idea what a INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT is? We know who took Maddy McCann but we can't arrest them without creating a shitstorm.
This should be of more help...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html YOU are clearly wasting your time here. 3.50$
madisonrebel | 4 points
Nothing you posted disputes the only hard evidence of what those police sketches are: two depictions of ONE PERSON. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/
Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.
Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.
You're Internet Tough Guy. I'm Internet Fact Guy.
MAGABoomer | 2 points
You know...you run into a level of tard sometimes that is so high that you just know...it's either a hidden camera joke or...CTR. So I'm gonna leave you laying useless with your asshattery because anyone who looks at those photos besides CTR or blind people...know exactly what they're looking at.
The story will be coming out soon. #PodestaPedo
AK-47_Gardening | 2 points
Just listen to them and go away
madisonrebel | 2 points
Yeah, that kind of attitude will totally expose these people and draw the attention of the public! /s
Filmpolice | 1 points
No you won't eat "humble pie" because you've already been proven wrong a dozen times and you still persist. You are contributing nothing but distraction.
madisonrebel | 3 points
You haven't proven that the two pictures are of two people yet. I have asked you to do so multiple times and you have refused. You are literally doing nothing but distracting a serious investigation because you can't get it through your head that the police sketches are of ONE person, and the Podestas are NOT one person.
MAGABoomer | 1 points
It's protecting it's own narrative...and detective work. Some stupid people have literally spent their entire lives trying to prove the McCanns killed Maddy. Point...in a way they did...they allowed Freud to become friends with them.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html
MAGABoomer | 2 points
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html
madisonrebel | 2 points
The McCanns hired a high-level PR firm to control what the press wrote.
This is speculation, not fact. Speculation makes this a conspiracy theory. Evidence makes this a news story.
aaava1 | 2 points
There's no 'speculation' about it! See Richard D Hall's videos for PROOF that a PR firm was hired. Stop spreading lies...
madisonrebel | 1 points
If there's proof, the onus is on YOU to provide it. Don't tell others to back up your claims.
aaava1 | 2 points
No it's not. I gave you the proof. If you're too lazy to go look at it it says a lot about you. Now go crawl back into the hole you came out of. You're ignored...
madisonrebel | 1 points
You didn't give anyone anything but bulls**t. If you can't be bothered to link what you think backs up your argument, you are yet another useless cancer on this subreddit.
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Achievement_Haunter | 9 points
So, what you're saying is that Martin and Mary Smith saw as many as six people , but they imagined that it was only one man, but still somehow managed to create sketches of two different people despite believing that they had only seen one man? And this somehow wasn't discovered until nearly 10 years after the fact by some dumbass on reddit whose only evidence is the use of the sketches in an article about cell phone tracking?
That's incredible.
Filmpolice | 5 points
I clearly did not say that as anybody can see. You are hijacking and poisoning the well. Give up.
MAGABoomer | 3 points
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html
Filmpolice | 2 points
Another relatively recent report indicates the police know multiple people were involved, and international law is preventing them from making arrests. http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/01/06/reports-police-know-who-kidnapped-madeleine-mccann-can%E2%80%99t-arrest-them
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Achievement_Haunter | 7 points
The sentence before that adds context:
Based or more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment . However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person
The man they are referring to is this man:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann#Tanner_sighting
Although Tanner had not seen the man's face, the sighting became important because it offered investigators a time frame for the abduction, but Scotland Yard came to view it as a red herring.[50] In October 2013 they said that a British holidaymaker had been identified as the man Tanner had seen, and that he had been returning to his apartment after collecting his daughter from the Ocean Club night creche.[51][52] Scotland Yard took photographs of the man wearing the same or similar clothes to the ones he was wearing on the night, and standing in a pose similar to the one Tanner reported. The pyjamas his daughter had been wearing also matched Tanner's report. Scotland Yard said they were "almost certain" the Tanner sighting was not related to the abduction.
What your link is saying is that the police don't know if the man that Jane Tanner saw is the same person that the Smiths saw.
AustinKayar | 3 points
It literally says "it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person". Huh, if they are 2 different people, how could they look so similar? I wonder.....
P.S. Not saying that I KNOW it is 2 people. We are hear to follow leads and this one still seems plausible.
Filmpolice | 2 points
No the subject of their sentence is "these two men" referring to the new sketches. Again you need to actually READ this and comprehend it. You are making a fool of yourself.
madisonrebel | 3 points
Nice selective editing.
These two pictures show a man carrying a child away from the family's apartment. This sighting was seen by a witness at 21:15 on the evening of Thursday, May 3rd, 2007.
Based or more recent information, the Metropolitan Police now believe this man may represent a guest at the Ocean Club who was carrying his daughter back to their apartment. However as it is not possible to be certain that these two men are actually the same person, if you have seen this man in the pictures or suspect who it may be, please contact the Metropolitan Police's OPERATION GRANGE on 0207 321 9251 (0044 207 321 9251 from outside the UK) or Operation.Grange@met.pnn.police.uk and/or the Find Madeleine team on +44 845 838 4699 or investigation@findmadeleine.com.
They weren't saying there was two suspects. They're saying that someone who was a guest may have resembled the guy in the police sketches. You are now willfully censoring what you find and are doing so in order to create the appearance of evidence to your as-yet-unproven claim that these pictures are of two different people. I now propose that you are a shill and you are here to derail this entire investigation with this ridiculous red herring.
Achievement_Haunter | 5 points
That's not what he asked.
What he's talking about is that those two police sketches are of the same individual as described by Martin and Mary Smith who saw a man carrying a child in the area. Why they are so different, I don't know.
Filmpolice | 7 points
Look at the links and verify. That specific factor is addressed. The two sketches were initially believed to be based on two witness descriptions of one suspect. But as the investigation continued it was then two suspects, and the most recent count is up to six. This is all in the links I included.
goingtodie | 9 points
Listen.
AT THE TIME the sketches were made, they were of only one individual witnessed by two people at the same time.
AT THE TIME, there was only one suspect not six.
It doesn't matter that there are six now unless you are suggesting that the couple simultaneously witnessed multiple people but thought they only saw one. If you are saying that, then stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
Achievement_Haunter | 2 points
Those links do not say that, and in fact only the first one mentions the sketches at all, and it confirms what I said. From your first link: http://i.imgur.com/V4oLidV.jpg
E-fits of men police want to trace (Top row l-r): Sighted at 22:00 carrying girl ; Seen near McCanns' apartment; Charity collector; (Bottom row l-r) Different image of man sighted at 22:00 ; Seen near McCanns' apartment; Seen in Ocean club resort on 3 May
Filmpolice | 5 points
It specifically says new SUSPECT S .
https://www.thiscomplexworld.com/real-csi-cell-site-analysis/
Achievement_Haunter | 8 points
No one is denying that there are multiple suspects! We are saying that those two sketches are renderings of the same person! This can be verified on nearly every webpage that contains those pictures, and no one ever claimed that they were two different people until the image in your OP started making the rounds a couple of days ago.
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Achievement_Haunter | 9 points
Here is an article about the couple who provided the descriptions for these sketches:
http://thesmithsighting.blogspot.com/
AN Irish family holidaying in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on the night Madeleine McCann went missing say they will "fully cooperate" with any new police probe.
Louth couple Martin and Mary Smith were quizzed by investigators after they claimed to have seen a man carrying a young child through the town on the night of the May 3, 2007.
Madeleine was almost four years old when she vanished from her bed in her parents' apartment at the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz between 9.35pm and 10pm on May 3, 2007.
Despite a massive police investigation and huge publicity worldwide, she has not been found. However it has now emerged that a group of Portuguese detectives have been appointed to carry out a fresh review of the investigation.
Now, the Irish couple who were interviewed by police following the girl's disappearance are bracing themselves to be reinterviewed.
Reports in British newspapers have claimed Scotland Yard officers will approach the Smith family in the coming weeks as they attempt to construct a photofit on the prime suspect.
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Achievement_Haunter | 7 points
I did read it! My god, you are thick.
That article DOES NOT SAY that these two sketches are of two different people. If it does, quote it or stop wasting everyone's time.
Filmpolice | 7 points
You have reading comprehension problems. Here you go, screen captured and in plain English: http://imgur.com/a/Rbvb0
aaava1 | 3 points
Hey. What happened to 'post once' and then get out of here? No one is interested in your lies about the McCann case. The whole investigation on the British end was a farce. If anyone is interested in the REAL truth, go to youtube and search on richard d hall mccann. He has an in-depth analysis of the crime and the investigation that PROVES everything the press said is a lie.
madisonrebel | 3 points
Yes, it is two pictures of the same guy. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/
Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.
Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.
I have posed this fact to OP multiple times now and they don't address it. They only post other articles saying that there were actually multiple suspects. I don't dispute that fact, but the fact remains that the sketches in question are only found to be described as depicting a single person. John Podesta and Tony Podesta cannot be a single person.
Again, this doesn't mean I don't think there's teeth to Pizzagate. It's simply that these police sketches are not of the Podestas, according to the only records out there. I welcome anyone who can provide a citation of the pictures as being of two people.
KoofNoof | 4 points
I REALLY want to believe this, but I'm having a hard time. Why would John and Tony do the kidnapping themselves? Surly they're in a position where they can have people do it for them? And it would be wayy too risky just kidnapping an American girl. Idk I mean, the evidence all fits together and makes sense, but i just can't really digest this as 100% proof
chloekatt | 3 points
This! I truly and wholeheartedly believe in everything that is being discovered - so in no way am I one of the skeptical people. But this one particular thing just makes no sense to me.... why on earth would they kidnap her themselves.....? Surely they wouldn't risk something like that....? I mean, I dont know... it's possible.... but out of all of this bizarre shit - this is the one and only thing that makes no sense logically to me
DumbScribblyUnctious | 3 points
I think proving this definitively is something that cannot be done with internet resources alone. Either someone with new information has to spill it, or someone with more official resource access can confirm the travel of both individuals for those dates.
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ned_harriman | 4 points
This one. Did you mean to remove it?
Filmpolice | 4 points
Edited for formatting but not removed.
EyesWide0pen2017 | 9 points
On my screen it says [removed]
[deleted] | 3 points
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ned_harriman | 7 points
What the actual Fuck. Did you remove that one as well?
The mods aren't removing these posts by the way. /u/Filmpolice do you not find this weird?
Ieuan1996 | 2 points
I don't know if it's still showing up as [removed] or not (it's not for me) but I thought I might as well take a screenshot of the conversation I see and show you guys that: http://imgur.com/zusfgRy
Also in case it still is, I'll just repost the links from your conversation in order.
http://bit.ly/2fp0M92
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-24539403
http://bit.ly/2f6DcLp
http://bit.ly/2eVh1dq
nitmotoli | 3 points
The police sketches aren't of two people. There is only one suspect. Those sketches are of the SAME suspect, as relayed by two different witnesses.
It's so incredibly sloppy that thousands of people have accused "the brothers," both of them, without taking the time to notice that every single source says the sketches are both of a single suspect.
MAGABoomer | 7 points
LOL no. Those two drawings are not even remotely resembling a "single suspect" what they do resemble is two men which makes witnesses having seen two different men...and those two men look exactly like John and Tony right down to Tony's mole.
Filmpolice | 2 points
Wrong. There are as many as six suspects now, according to the most recent reports. The notion that "there is only one suspect" is based on outdated information.
nitmotoli | 8 points
Do you always make claims without linking to evidence?
From the source: http://findmadeleine.com/campaigns/unidentified_people.html
http://i.imgur.com/wvkUqWj.png
Three persons of interest, two sketches of each. The sketches you're claiming are different people are 1A and 1B. They are of the same person.
1A, 1B
2A, 2B
4A, 4B
asskisser | 3 points
I don't understand how are the mods already compromised? Wasn't this sub made recently?
Who appoints the mods?
DumbScribblyUnctious | 2 points
There aren't very many of us and only some of us are active. This sub is only a week old.
-5677- | 2 points
WHY are this people still free? The evidence can't be any clearer in this instance...
omgchrista | 2 points
I'm spreading this on facebook and beyond. I don't give a fuck anymore. This is worth being 'suicided' over. Add me to the Clinton body count if I die.
madisonrebel | 2 points
I'm glad you guys are doing this, and you need to keep digging...but the police sketches were two accounts of a single man that was seen: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/16/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/
Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.
Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.
Singular, folks. It's just a coincidence. It blew my mind so much I had to double check.
I've already posted this in one of the deleted posts about this. In that thread, the OP, FilmPolice, posted a link and told me I was wrong. He didn't explain how, and the link he posted only confirmed that there were multiple suspects. Again: the link above is proof that the police sketches were of a single person. If FilmPolice cannot provide evidence that the sketches were originally of two people, this is a dead end and we need to stop wasting time and resources(as well as visibility) on something so easily debunked.
Gummalillan | 1 points
I would just like to remind people that on Twitter you can not be down voted into oblivion by moronic pedo protecting Hillbots, and there are no pedo loving mods who can simply delete feeds.
Also, there is an active thread about the DC pedophile ring and "Pizzagate" on a forum called "AboveTopSecret", may be a good idea to sign up there and post to preserve your work. Your posts (or new threads about Pizzagate) will not be removed there (no down voting possible either!) as long as you are reasonable polite and don't act like a complete asshat to other members.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1145469/pg1
I also love all you guys/girls who are working so hard to uncover the horrible crimes committed against children. I am not as techno clever and good at web sleuthing as most of you are, but I follow your great efforts and will contribute as best I can if I find useful information. Respect and kudos to you.
iwaagh | 1 points
Hey I think you forgot there was an email saying he was going to Portugal. Maybe it has been discovered it wasn't related or was the wrong date. Just saying.
reddit_army_overseer | 1 points
Keep in mind when these pictures were 1st posted, twitter was hit with a DDOS, and CTR descended upon r/the_donald in an attempt to flood the post away. Reddit search was also censoring the search for "Madeleine McCann". The two biggest threads were not visible when searched. And I see shills comtinue to say this is supposed to be one suspect. Whatever. Like the OP has mentioned at least half a dozen times, there are multiple suspects. The one suspect theory is old and outdated.
propermarinov | -1 points
Is there ANY other evidence other than a police rendering that could implicate Anyone in the world that looks similar to it?
Nope? Think you're headed down the wrong alley, then.
Filmpolice | 8 points
There is a lot more evidence that is not mentioned in the meme. The most significant is that T. Podesta pays hundreds of thousands to celebrate artistic depictions of child abduction, and is good friends with a convicted child molester. And J. Podesta has the nonsensical references to "pizza" along with "xoxo" from the owner of Comet Pizza.
cky_stew | 4 points
Yeah, we know that. That's what this sub is about.
None of what you just said relates to Maddy.
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cky_stew | 4 points
I'm disputing only the McCann Link , nothing else, dumbass.
Why not just blame the Podestas for all child abductions in the last 10 years while you're at it? Because they haven't got a contextless sketch of someone that vaguely resembles 1/2 of people accused. Have you checked those images against other known pedophiles, or just the Podestas?
You have next to no evidence to go on, and this post will make everyone laugh at this sub. One could even suspect you are the shill for trying to poison the credibility of the shit that gets posted here. Honestly that's how ridiculous you're acting. You are filled with confirmation bias and are seeing what you want to. You've refused to listen to the voice of reason multiple times in this thread so I'm done with it.
I'm happy just sitting back and reading about this conspiracy rather than participating. But seeing people spout stupid shit like this, I just had to say something and point out the many flaws (which you conveniently sidestepped around all over this thread, because these facts go against what you want to believe). This theory is ridiculous and has nothing to go on compared to the rest of pizzagate.
Mattyj925 | 2 points
Can you elaborate on the last sentence? I'm sorry but I don't know what's inherently suspicious about the owner of a pizza place talking to podesta about pizza lol
MAGABoomer | 1 points
Hello...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3659322/Police-launch-probe-Freud-knew-Maddie-uncover-new-details-ex-MP-s-disturbing-relationship-McCanns.html
whitedeer27 | 1 points
Have you seen the picture of Madeleine sitting zip tied with the Podestas from their own wikileaks email? It's her.
propermarinov | 1 points
I have only seen a picture of a girl sitting next to the Podestas in a group meeting that doesn't resemble her much. I don't believe I've seen the picture you've described, though I'm trying to find it now. If anyone could link it here that'd be appreciated.
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Filmpolice | 4 points
Nope. Everybody still agrees it's an open case. "beyond stupid" is not an answer.
Filmpolice | 141 points | Nov 13 2016 22:58:00
ATTN all: one of the mods (not sure which one) deleted this twice already without explanation. This sub reddit may be infiltrated. Be careful.
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GiUnit | 57 points | Nov 14 2016 03:40:42
I had a post removed today also. I brought it up with all of them, and one accepted and reposted it. I'm starting to think there's a CTR mole.
Could do with some eyes: https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5ctc4w/i_found_something_autists_the_web_is_revealing/
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Ieuan1996 | 11 points | Nov 14 2016 11:09:07
Thanks for the heads up. It is a bit chaotic among the mods, but I'll try and get this stickied and keep this comment thread visible at the top for some transparency/something to hold the mods to until we can figure out what's going on. We need to organise ourselves a lot better. I'll keep you updated on what I hear back by commenting here again when I do hear something.
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Ieuan1996 | 5 points | Nov 14 2016 11:37:54
I've stickied the post at the top for visibility, also messaged the rest of the mods on their thoughts about how we can organise ourselves and communicate well for clarity. Maybe something like a group chat we can constantly update the sub on daily/weekly/something like that. As per, we'll keep you updated as we hear back. If you guys have any ideas feel more than free to let us know either through replies to comments or just message the mods directly to send something we'll all see. We can't do this alone, we need help from all you guys. We all help each other keep this sub and this movement moving.
In regards to some posts being deleted, I know that some posts get deleted for being spammed multiple times, some get deleted for sensationalist titles that implicate specific people involved without evidence/enough evidence to suggest so and just to stay safe they're deleted to avoid witch hunts. (we've had a few people message the mods threatening to sue etc because they claim to be x or y as implicated in x or y post; some are fake/shills trying to scare us, but some are genuine, so to avoid that all together we encourage anyone digging to make sure the evidence speaks for itself before posting it and claiming anything on top. Or alternatively, tag your post as [speculation] or something to a similar extent to avoid any legal issues, because they are a genuine worry).
I, personally, haven't seen every single post that's been deleted so I can't speak for everyone, but I've seen a few that match with those kinds of criteria, so yeah I guess we'll just try to stay on top of it as things keep going. And we'll try and keep you updated, stay transparent with you. Thanks a lot guys. Your input is what helps and what we need to hear to do the best we can.
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polar-alpines | 2 points | Nov 14 2016 18:54:46
To be fair to the mods, it could also be admins removing the posts. Either way, it's censorship and very uncool.
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ned_harriman | 5 points | Nov 14 2016 01:35:06
No it wasn't us. Did you mean to remove your own comment below though?
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Plmnkoijbvhi | -4 points | Nov 14 2016 13:06:14
This is not a credible lead dude.
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